A couple of months ago, a reader of the blog sent me an email containing a figure she’d made from this year’s ecology job wiki, using data from the “anonymous qualifications” sheet. That figure suggested that women might be waiting longer than men to start applying for tenure track jobs — or, more specifically, that men might be more likely that women to apply for faculty positions while still in grad school or within the first year after getting their PhD. After recreating the figure myself and also looking at the 2015-2016 job wiki and finding a similar pattern, I decided to do a poll to see whether this pattern held up with more data. Results are below, but the quick summary is that women do not seem to be waiting longer to apply for faculty positions (at least based on the poll data).
A recent conversation I had — starting with a postdoc (not one of mine) and then continuing with others — has me curious about the factors that influence when people start applying for tenure track jobs. I’ve created a poll to try to get insight into those factors. Please fill out this poll if you have considered applying for tenure track positions (or their equivalents in other countries), even if you haven’t actually applied for any yet. I’ll leave the poll open for a few days, and hope to have a post with results appear some time next week.
Update: For the questions, if you applied/got an interview/got an offer before getting your PhD, choose “0”. If you applied/got an interview/got an offer after getting your PhD, but within a year of getting your PhD, please choose “1”.
The 2016-17 ecology & evolution jobs compilation includes a spreadsheet on which anonymous job seekers can list some common quantitative metrics summarizing their qualifications. Year of PhD, number of years as a postdoc, number of peer-reviewed publications (first-authored and total), h-index, number of major grants held, and number of courses taught (not counting TA positions). Job seekers also can list the number of positions for which they’ve applied this year, the number of interviews they’ve received (phone/skype and on-campus), some personal attributes such as gender, and other information. The purpose presumably is to allow job seekers to determine how competitive they are for faculty positions.
As of Dec. 19, 2016, 73 people had listed their information. Not a massive sample of current ecology & evolution job seekers. Also surely a statistically-biased sample in various ways. But it’s many more current job seekers than anyone not currently sitting on a search committee is likely to have personal knowledge of. So I checked how well quantitative metrics like number of publications and h-index predict the number of interviews job seekers receive. For comparison, I also compiled data on the h-indices of 84 North American ecologists recently hired as assistant professors.
Faculty job seekers understandably want any information they can get on how competitive they are. But how competitive any given individual is for any given position depends on many factors, many of which are only captured coarsely or not at all by common quantitative metrics. You can’t put numbers on fit to the position, quality of your science, strength of your reference letters, and so on. So I suspect that many job seekers tend to overrate the importance to search committees of things you can put numbers on: publication count, h-index, etc. It’s an instance of “looking under the streetlight”. Hence my question: Can you estimate your odds of being interviewed for, or obtaining, a faculty position in ecology and evolution just from common quantitative metrics?
Short answer: No. For the details, read on.
Note from Jeremy: This is a guest post from my friend, biologist Greg Crowther. Thanks very much to Greg for being brave enough to share some personal experiences and advice that I’m sure will resonate with many readers. Thanks as well to Greg for only sharing non-embarrassing anecdotes about our time together as undergrads. 🙂
Today I’d like to add another job-search saga to the pile – this one focused on teaching-focused positions – and to extract some lessons, if possible.
I recently attended a “lunch and learn” session at my university on how to talk to graduate students about non-academic careers. The session was led by Anne Krook, who spent seven years as a professor at Michigan before moving on to a successful career at Amazon and other companies. What follows are my edited notes from the session. Any errors, omissions, etc. are mine.
We also have a series of guest posts from ecologists who’ve gone on to non-academic careers, the first of which is here (and as an aside, if today’s post is at all of interest to you–and frankly, even if it’s not–you should do yourself a favor and read that old post as well. Seriously. Read it. Leading candidate for best post we’ve ever published.)
One thing I think blogs can be useful for is providing information that ideally a mentor would provide, but that, for whatever reason, doesn’t always end up being provided. Some examples from our blog include how to suggest reviewers, how to respond to reviewers, and how to review a manuscript for a journal. Here, I will focus on how to format one’s CV when applying for a faculty position. Update 8/26/16: To be clear: I write this from the perspective of a scientist at an American research university. All of my search committee experience is on searches related to ecology and evolutionary biology.
Come join Meg at UMich! We’re searching for three tenure track assistant professors in ecology (specifically ecosystem ecology, population & community ecology, and theoretical ecology). To answer one common question: yes, you can apply for more than one of the positions. The formal ad and the link for application is below the break.
The Dept. of Biological Sciences at the University of Calgary is hiring a full-time tenure track Instructor in invertebrate biology. Instructors at Calgary are faculty whose primary duty is undergraduate teaching (as distinct from what Calgary calls “professorial-stream” faculty like me, who have heavier research duties). We’re looking for someone with broad training, who can teach both field- and lab-based courses integrating systematics, behavior, ecology, and physiology. Expertise in aquatic inverts would be a plus. The successful candidate would teach a range of courses at both introductory and advanced levels.
You need a Ph.D. in zoology. The ideal candidate would also have post-doctoral experience, teaching experience, and broad knowledge of biological pedagogy.
Application deadline is Apr. 30, 2016. Here’s the full ad, with details of how to apply.
A bit more background info and some personal commentary:
Okay, so maybe I don’t really recommend interviewing on very short notice. But this post is the story of my first job interview – done on about 2 days’ notice – and how that ended up being great for me.
During Fall 2006, I applied to an ADVANCE-sponsored* workshop that was being held at Rice University. I was really excited when I heard that I’d been selected for the workshop, and about the added bonus of getting to see a good friend of mine from grad school. My friend was doing a postdoc there, and I decided to extend my stay in Houston a little bit so that we could see each other.
Around the same time as I applied for the Rice workshop, I was also applying for faculty positions. I had put in several applications, including one to Rice. I hadn’t heard anything from Rice before my trip, but, a bit before going to Rice for the workshop, I heard that I had an interview at another school. That interview was scheduled for about a month later.
Upon hearing that I had an interview, I immediately became nervous. It was a month away, but I was already having a hard time sleeping because I was anxious about the interview. I knew I needed to change something, since not sleeping for a month before an interview would not be a good plan, but I hadn’t come up with a good strategy yet.
The time came for the workshop, and off I went to Houston. The workshop was great, in part because of the women I got to meet there (both the other participants and the faculty who were involved). While there, in talking with someone from Rice’s EEB Department, I learned that they had recently decided on the four candidates they were going to interview for the search I’d applied for. I was not on that list of four, but had apparently been fifth on their list.
At that point, I was asked: “Since you’re here anyway, can you interview while you’re here?” I was surprised, but inclined to say yes. But there was the major logistical issue of me not having a job talk prepared and, more than that, not having access to most of my computer files. I hadn’t brought my laptop with me, and didn’t have access to my files (this was before I had everything backed up on the cloud!) Part of the workshop involved practicing the intro of a job talk (we had been told to prepare this ahead of time), so I had that with me on a flash drive. But I didn’t have much else.
So, I called my officemate and asked him to log in to my computer and email me files from my computer. He did, and also went and told my postdoc advisor what was up. I immediately got a call from my postdoc advisor, who wanted to talk through the pros and cons of doing the interview. I also emailed a few other mentors at that point, to get their opinions. Opinions were mixed: some felt that I might as well, since I was there and wasn’t going to get an interview at Rice otherwise. Others felt that there was no way that I could adequately prepare in time, and that I risked looking bad for being unprepared if people didn’t know that I had had only two days’ notice.
After waffling for a bit, I decided to go ahead and do the interview. I spent the evening before the interview at my friend’s house working on a talk. I pieced together the intro I had come up with for the workshop, plus a few recent 12 minute talks from meetings, plus the conclusions from my dissertation seminar. I ended up with a talk that I think was reasonably good (if not completely polished). Another logistical issue was that I didn’t have any interview clothes with me. So, my friend (have I mentioned that she’s a really good friend?) drove me to Target, and helped me find slacks and a shirt that I could wear.
Then I interviewed. And it was great. I realized that it was a long shot that I would get the job, given the circumstances, and so I tried to view it as a chance to interact with people who were doing interesting work and to talk about science. And, with that view, the interview was actually pretty enjoyable.
I went home, feeling like I had done well and glad that I had done the interview. Once I got home, I discovered that I was much less nervous about the other interview that I had scheduled. In the end, I think doing the interview at Rice on very short notice really reduced my anxiety leading up to my other interviews, which presumably made it so that I did better at those interviews.
In the end, I didn’t get the job at Rice. But, in talking with people there after, it sounds like the folks at Rice thought it went well, too.
So, as I said at the beginning of the post, I don’t really recommend interviewing on two days’ notice. But, for me, it ended up being great at reducing interview anxiety, and so I’m glad it worked out that way for me.
*ADVANCE is a really great program run by the US National Science Foundation that aims to increase the participation and advancement of women in science and engineering.
Come join me at Michigan! We’re looking for someone working on the ecology and/or evolutionary biology of fishes or birds. Here’s the official ad:
The Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology and the Program in the Environment at the University of Michigan seek applicants for an assistant professor (tenure-track) position in the ecology or evolutionary biology of fishes or birds. While we expect to make a junior hire, outstanding senior applicants will also be considered. This is a university-year appointment with an expected start date of September 1, 2016. We seek outstanding individuals who use comparative fish or bird systems to study any area of ecology or evolutionary biology, and who would offer exceptional courses in the ecology or evolution of either taxon. Also strongly encouraged are research programs that could take advantage of the world-class biodiversity collections of the Museum of Zoology and/ or utilize the EEB Department’s biological field stations. Museum curatorial activities may replace some teaching duties for appropriate candidates.
To apply, use this link and arrange to have three letters of recommendation submitted through the same website. Review of applications will begin on October 1st 2015 and will continue until the position is filled. Women and minorities are strongly encouraged to apply. The University of Michigan is supportive of the needs of dual career couples and is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer.